[Pmwiki-users] Markup

Pedro Miller Rabinovitch miller
Thu Aug 28 08:43:53 CDT 2003

On Thursday 28 August 2003 07:06, Carlo Strozzi wrote:
> This discussion is certainly interesting, but once again I would like to
> stress one point: if we have to furhter sophisticate the current PmWiki
> markup then we had better to revert to XML right away, and re-design the
> whole system from ground-up. The need for two-way conversions should be

I've come to accept that redesign is an acceptable part of bottom-up 
development and should be embraced and accepted when necessary.

> handled with XML+XSLT and all those well-known technologies. The system
> could adopt a client-server design, with a downloadable WYSIWYG editor
> module (written in some client-side scripting language for browser
> plug-in's, such as java or macromedia flash), with an RPC-style protocol
> between the client and the server part (like XML-RPC or something), and
> things like that. 

That could be an option (although I'd use different technologies for the same 
purpose), as long as the original HTML interface remains available.

> But are we really sure we want to start a big project
> like that ? Or shouldn't we rather stick with what a wiki is supposed to
> be, that is a *simple* HTML on-line editor "for the masses" ?

Aaahh, the subtleties of irony. >:) Ok, here's the thing: there's a difference 
between a *simple* on-line editor and a *simple use* on-line editor. (We 
could also speak of *simple development* and *simple installation* on-lines 
editor. Bring on *simple maintenance* as well, there's plenty of room.)

The example you gave above, using downloadable WYSIWYG (which I'm not a fan 
of, btw) editor modules, etc., could actually be ok, as long as people could 
still use the HTML quick-and-simple interface to write quick-and-simple 
markup, which is what made me fall in love with Wikis in the first place.

I'd unlikely be the one to defend a complex Wiki system. And I'd *NEVER* be 
the one to defend a complex Wiki interface. "Contrairiwise", said Tweedledum, 
"different markup styles available would make it easier for people with 
different preferences co-exist and collaborate. Or do you think the dream is 

Kind regards,


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