[pmwiki-users] it's time to change pmwiki default skin!

Carlos AB cabsec.pmwiki at gmail.com
Thu Sep 15 21:41:39 CDT 2011

I'm sorry, it's not dotted, it's a dashed underline/border-bottom .

On 9/15/11, Carlos AB <cabsec.pmwiki at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wiki creole says that we should use a dotted underline to flag a link
> to a non existent page and I believe it is a dotted border-bottom.
> Should we respect that since PmWiki supports creole and I believe that
> this particular rule of creole was done that way to also give support
> for people that are visually impaired.
> Also, PmWiki allows us to change the fmt of how links to non existant
> pages look like, trough $LinkPageCreateFmt .
> This is good for people who build skins as the actual
> $LinkPageCreateFmt creates two links for one markup, I had to hide the
> second link to create a different style of sidebar once and having a
> skin to change the format of $LinkPageCreateFmt doesn't sound like a
> good idea and plus it would create more problems.
> Does the PmWiki community wants to follow creole rules by the dot, or
> perhaps, by the underline? :-)
> CarlosAB
> On 9/15/11, John Rankin <john.rankin at affinity.co.nz> wrote:
>>>>horizontally, so long lines don't cause an overflow; avoid underline for
>>>>links (use border-bottom on hover instead, if at all); spruce up the
>>> I want links to be underlined _and_ coloured, I don not want to guess
>>> what could be a link.
>> Yes, unless there is a strong contrast between the text colour and the
>> link colour, this is a problem with many sites, especially, as Petko
>> notes, when the visited colour is not clearly different.
>> What is your view of sites where the link border-bottom is dotted? It
>> makes links more visible, but is less intrusive than a solid rule. The
>> dotted rule can turn solid on mouseover, of course.
>>> BTW: What's the benefit of "border-bottom" (besides different color)?
>> Underline passes through the letter descenders and makes the words
>> slightly less readable -- we recognise words in part by the word shape
>> and
>> underline can obscure this to a (small) degree. The border-bottom option
>> puts a rule slightly below the descenders. This is a practice borrowed
>> from print publishing, whereas underlining is carried over from the
>> manual
>> typewriter. My understanding (and I am not certain of this) is that
>> mechanical constraints in a typewriter meant the underline physically
>> could not print below the descenders, unless you moved the carriage up
>> slightly.
>> JR
>> --
>> John Rankin

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