[pmwiki-users] Proposed Default Stylesheet (pmwiki.css)
Joachim Durchholz
jo at durchholz.org
Sun Feb 19 11:57:52 CST 2006
Patrick R. Michaud schrieb:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2006 at 01:28:03AM +0100, Joachim Durchholz wrote:
>
>>>Ultimately I don't think PmWiki should automatically eat blank
>>>lines after headings. Better is to use CSS to style those blank
>>>lines as we want:
>>>
>>> h1 + p.vspace { margin-top: ... }
>>>
>>>(Unfortunately, IE 6 doesn't support the CSS "+" selector yet.)
>>
>>I'd try to avoid that if at all possible. Using "+" means you have to
>>revisit a lot of corner cases, such as "<h2> after <h1>", "<h3> after
>><h1>", ..., "<h6> after <h1>", "<hr> after <h1>"; repeat for <h2>, <h3>
>>etc. etc. etc. - horror!
>
> Why? Seems to me that h1 + p.vspace, h2 + p.vspace, h3 + p.vspace, etc.
> would be sufficient to cover things.
What if somebody writes
!!Heading
!!!Subheading
You'd want to determine the spacing there, too.
Not to mention all the other block items - tables, <pre>, etc. etc. etc.
Of course, if you mean to place a vspace <p> between all block elements,
the number of spacings needed would reduce from NxN to N, but then
you're basically back at what CSS does...
>>Here's an alternative:
>>Make lines that start with ! eat the following blank line if it exists.
>>That way, if a page author truly wants more empty space after a heading,
>>he can insert two empty lines.
>>(Maybe too subtle... but empty lines after headings are subtle no matter
>>what.)
>
> For some reason I'm also uneasy about summarily eating any blank line
> that follows a heading -- that feels at least as wrong to me as using '+'
> in the CSS.
The alternative would be to drop the vspace <p>, and use CSS styling
exclusively.
Why was <p class="vspace"> introduced in PmWiki?
> Ignoring PmWiki for a moment, how would one adjust the heading
> margins with CSS assuming "normal" HTML semantics -- i.e.,
> "How HTML Is Supposed To Be Done"?
>
> <h1>Heading</h1>
> <p>Here's my first paragraph</p>
> <p>Here's my second paragraph</p>
I happened to come across that question in Hagan's post first, and
answered it there.
Basically, I'd use vertical margins. AFAIK they are well-supported,
vertical margin collapsing prevents some blunders (though they also tend
to surprise authors), and it could all be styled using CSS.
>>On a tangent, I noticed that PmWiki has an interesting deviant behavior
>>if a ! line is followed with [@: it will run the preformatted text into
>>the header. I.e.
>>
>>!!Header
>>[@
>>lorem ipsum
>>@]
>>
>>will give
>>
>><h2>header <pre>lorem ipsum</pre></h2>
>>
>>which isn't quite what I expected. (Quoting from memory, so I may have
>>gotten some details wrong.)
>
>
> I'm unable to produce this behavior on pmwiki.org --
> see http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Test/HeadingAndPre .
I can't reproduce it either on pmwiki.org.
It reproduces reliably on my wiki. Try this: go to
http://durchholz.org/jo/debian-install/Main/DownloadDebian?action=edit
and find this sequence:
--- snip ---
!!Get and run @@debootstrap@@
Do
[@
cd /tmp
w3m ${local_mirror}/pool/main/d/debootstrap/
@]
--- snip ---
Remove the line that contains the word "Do", giving this sequence:
--- snip ---
!!Get and run @@debootstrap@@
[@
cd /tmp
w3m ${local_mirror}/pool/main/d/debootstrap/
@]
--- snip ---
and hit the Preview button.
Very strange.
I'm using the latest stable version.
The non-comment lines in config.php are
--- snip ---
<?php if (!defined('PmWiki')) exit();
$WikiTitle = 'Debian Configuration';
$ScriptUrl = 'http://durchholz.org/jo/debian-install';
$PubDirUrl = 'http://durchholz.org/jo/debian-install/pub';
$EnablePathInfo = 1;
$PageLogoUrl =
"http://gnuart.onshore.com/images/debian/logos/open/openHorColor-90.jpg";
$Skin = 'local';
$PageSkinList = array(
'default' => 'local',
'pmwiki' => 'pmwiki',
'haganfox' => 'haganfox'
);
include_once('cookbook/skinchange.php');
$DefaultPasswords['admin'] = crypt('***');
$DefaultPasswords['edit'] = crypt('quick');
$EnableGUIButtons = 1;
$LinkWikiWords = 0;
$EnableDiag = 1;
$EnableIMSCaching = 1;
$SpaceWikiWords = 1;
$EnableBypassAuth = 0;
$JournalDatePattern = '/^$/';
$DiaryPattern = '/^$/';
include_once ('cookbook/commentboxstyled.php');
--- snip ---
Regards,
Jo
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