[Pmwiki-users] Creating Groups

Ciaran ciaranj
Thu Jan 20 13:36:29 CST 2005


I guess it seems fine, I'm sure when I read it first it implied to the
casual observer it was the fact that you explicitly gave it a group
name that caused it to be created within a group, sorry if I mislead
you :(
-ciaran


On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:00:34 -0800, Wade Hudson <whudson at igc.org> wrote:
> Thanks for the reply. Your comments helped me understand more clearly
> that a new page is automatically assigned to the current group unless a
> new group is specified.
> 
> However, I'm not clear about what is wrong about my suggested edit of
> the Documentation. How would you clarify it or would you leave it as is?
> 
> It now reads:
> ... to create a link to a wiki page in another group, you use
> GroupName.WikiWord or GroupName/WikiWord to create the link.... Creating
> a new group is as easy as CreatingNewPages; simply edit an existing page
> to include a link to a page in the new group, then click on the '?' to
> edit the page.
> 
> My suggestion read:
> Creating a new group is as easy as CreatingNewPages; simply edit an
> existing page to include a link to a page in the new group using the
> following format [[Group/SomePage]] or [[Group.SomePage]]. Then click on
> the '?' to edit the page.
> 
> So I just rearranged the order and basically repeated "use
> GroupName.WikiWord or GroupName/WikiWord" with "using the following
> format [[Group/SomePage]] or [[Group.SomePage]]."
> 
> It seems that adding that phrase again makes it clearer how to create a
> NEW group, though actually it might also be even clearer and more
> consistent to say replace "GroupName/WikiWord or GroupName.WikiWord"
> elsewhere in the Documentation with "[[Group/SomePage]] or
> [[Group.SomePage]]."
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ciaran [mailto:ciaranj at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:15 AM
> > To: Wade Hudson
> > Cc: Patrick R. Michaud; Pmwiki-users at pmichaud.com
> > Subject: Re: [Pmwiki-users] Creating Groups
> >
> >
> > Hi Wade, sorry to do this yet again, but I feel you still haven't
> > quite grasped the problem The following excerpt from your email is
> > wrong [I believe]
> >
> > > +++++
> > > PmWiki has the capability of classifying pages into groups
> > of related
> > > pages. Creating a new group is as easy as CreatingNewPages;
> > simply edit
> > > an existing page to include a link to a page in the new
> > group using the
> > > following format [[Group/SomePage]] or [[Group.SomePage]].
> > Then click on
> > > the '?' to edit the page.
> > >
> > I think you''re mixing up the concept of page creation and page
> > referencing, they just happen to be the same for you currently because
> > the page being referred to does not currently exist. Reading this
> > would imply that if a user has already created a page, they can merely
> > prefix it with a groupname to classify it as belonging to that group,
> > which in fact is not how it works :(
> >
> > *Any* WikiPage you create will belong to a group.  If that group is
> > not specified in the markup then when in the html a user clicks the
> > '?' symbol a page will be created in the 'current' group i.e. the
> > group to which the page currently being viewed belongs to.  If however
> > the group is specified in the markup then the page will be created
> > within that group.
> >
> > The algorithm that determines whether a page exists or not is actually
> > slightly more complex [and configurable of course] than that, as it
> > can look for the page in the current group, or a series of other
> > specified groups (I myself have a 'Common' group where I put common
> > definitions that get used within all the other groups, and have
> > modified the relevant variable [which escapes me right now!] to
> > reflect this).
> >
> > So although you're correct to say you should explicitly give the group
> > in the sidebar to avoid mis-matches for pages  [imagine two groups
> > both containing pages with the same page-name, if just page-name was
> > referenced in the sidebar, different pages would *actually* be being
> > pointed to.  Which is in fact quite a useful feature, when used
> > intentionally ;)  ]  it is not correct to imply that by providing this
> > Groupname you're enabling PmWiki to classify a page as belonging to a
> > particular group, because that implies that without giving the
> > groupname it belongs to 'no group' which can't happen.
> >
> > I hope this is clearer, and I don't mean any of this in a patronising
> > way at all, it took me ages to get my head around groups (and more
> > importantly the lack of hierarchical groups but thats another story )
> > - ciaran
> >
> 
> 


-- 
- Ciaran



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