[pmwiki-users] Kind-of Blog 1.1 released
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Wed Dec 14 15:56:51 CST 2005
ons 2005-12-14 klockan 14:41 -0600 skrev Patrick R. Michaud:
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 08:58:10PM +0100, sven saurwein wrote:
> > (4.2)
> > use the abstract yyyymmddxx uniqute url for (:pagelist:) flexibility to
> > display and sort things
> (:pagelist:) already has the flexibility to display and sort
> things, and can sort based on criteria other than name (e.g.,
> posting date or last modified date). So we don't need to use
> the page name for ordering, since we can easily do it other ways.
> But there's another approach.... everyone repeat after me...
> "Trails are our friends!"
Ok, you have a point...
> Why worry about the names at all? All we really want is some way of
> ordering sets of posts and accessing them in some order, and that's
> exactly what trails are for! So, having seen the discussion and
> taken a little more time to think about it, here's my view of a blog:
"All we really want" - I'm not sure I agree, on a number of (solvable)
> * All blog entries are normal wiki pages, with normal page names.
> * The edit form has a "post blog article" checkbox or button, which
> causes the current entry to be added to the beginning of a
> "blog trail", much the same way that pages are automatically
> added to RecentChanges pages. (It may in fact turn out to be
> the same code that handles both.)
Well... one aspect is missing - *extreme* ease of use. There needs to be
predefined ways of adding blog archives, and a very easy to use "Post"
page, where you *don't* have to give a page name. I'm eager to avoid
complex scenarios like:
* Invent a new page name
* Go to that page in some way (by typing the URL, or adding it manually
to another wiki page and clicking the link)
* Press edit
* Write post
* Checkbox needs to be checked.
* ... more?
We really need a process that looks like:
* Click "Post"
* Write blog content, including title
* Click "Save"
> * Other posts to the page don't affect the blog trail.
> * By having the pages on a blog trail, one gets RSS feeds (and
> podcasts!) for free via .../BlogTrail?action=rss .
> * The blogger always has the option of reordering articles in
> the blog by simply editing the blog trail. Articles in the
> blog trail can easily belong to different WikiGroups.
Make sure, though, that a DateCreated property (or whatever) is
preserved when editing posts or trails. We need to be able to create
nice and correct archives *automatically*, no manual intervention.
> Comments? If there's roaring approval then it's very possible
> I could add the above directly to 2.1. Page comments would
> follow shortly thereafter, since I'd know how to integrate it with
> the blogging scheme.
Make sure not to forget the above. Most stuff needs to be simple and
automatic... but I'm sure it's doable.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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