[pmwiki-users] [pmwiki-devel] Announce: pmwiki-social

[J. Meijer]

The need for this posting is an Oops!

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> From: commentgg at hotmail.com
> I have the intent to highlight mechanisms that result in behaviour. 
> That is a design and it is essentially within your [Pm's] responsibility, 
> so I can only ask and pray for you or others to hear and understand me.  
> In your case it is kind of unusual for you if you do. Because no other 
> community has your level of capability behind it.  

The line "> In your case it is kind of unusual *for you* if you do. " is (perhaps not obviously) wrong. The part between * should not have been there!! 

An excuse-me hug for Pm :) Please forgive me, forgive me. :)



Some posts have indicated the charm of a social mailing list. Much more would be needed to make it really worth peoples while. So I can live with _not_ having it. The old ways have their charms and in a distorted way help to show character. But who would confide really valuable ideas? This lack of support structure holds back development (and open source). And character, does it need to be shown (made explicit) in order to exist? 

I'd like to carry this thread forward, yet to make it full-blown requires a major development effort, a project much like pmwiki itself, with many aspects that go beyond just programming. Maybe my cursed lifepath serves as a tool for that. I'd need much help and bonds need to be in place to make sure that the value created will not disintegrate with a simple exploit and take the development team with it. Zapped. 

Any development in this area would for certain empower and thus help to enable the [world] to adopt a different lifestyle, away from social insecurity and 'competing by default'. A mode that can be pointed at as being wasteful of resources and causing a natural drift away from Christ. 

I took a look at ning.com and was favorably impressed. Even made a pwwiki.ning.com group. Interesting experience. 

My post was unusually loud, fairly disruptive and I hardly recognize myself. So I do hope this thread, in time, will bear fruit. From the few words at ning.com you can get something of a feeling for how I'd present the social to the community. 

Pm is under a load, readying the pmwiki forms engine. I'll suspend further comments until it is stabilized, probably till the beta tag is stripped. 


My reference to leaving the list is because my life is highly unstable. There is the highly original developer dying in me, deprivation taking its toll. Taking a thought from Pm's /social/ site (f.e. http://www.pmichaud.com/wiki/Pm/PmGraffiti): 

  We are the magicians, the sorcerers, the wizards. And our magic 
  comes from within, though we often deny its existence and our 
  role in casting the spells.

I think a spell may be ruling us into such reflections, we'd be the puppets, not the sorcerers, living to do the job - or the larger shell. A spell that keeps us going in dedication. In my case that spell is often faultering for longer and longer periods of time. So I don't know how much to take on. 


Anyway, a select few need to take on the mass for something to happen. Who is reliable enough to do so? Who fits the shoe? 

Social is a design. Just as it is now, not. The only thing that cannot be said by anyone is that Christ did it. So most likely, he didn't, but left it up to /us? But hey, we are just a spell away from being fools, aren't we? 

Anyway, this project's mad group would need the professional guidance only Pm has to offer.  Patrick, would you? What's your price? :) 
He can't answer when there is no team to inspire him. 

We live in a world that is building the tools. Is PmWiki the right place to do the community support experiment, or will Google make us bite the dust? We have the most readily extensible system and a particular community audience. 

Of course, those who want and come to pmwiki don't want to read about these type of posts, initially if not forever. They have lost their heads, they're mad. Soon they'll no longer have a product to sell. That is Pm's concern. And he's right to be concerned. 

So maybe we need to start at the other end and (peacefully) fork the pmwiki community. To each their own rule. A problem in one domain isn't one in the other. 

Thank you. 

/jm









ps Anyone have some good code or links for a karma system to share?


> Sandy wrote:
> Having said that, I do appreciate the chance to be off topic
> occassionally. A laugh that has to be shared that this audience 
> would appreciate. A technical question that, while not about 
> PmWiki, fits better here than my other lists. I enjoy reading the 
> profiles and heading over to folks' websites. I like feeling there's 
> someone in the cubicle "next door".
>
> So, my vote is this list remain relaxed and mostly-on-topic. 
> Friendly, helpful, welcoming. Sociable, but not social

> /Christian said:
> (I'm afraid I haven't grasped the purpose of this thing at all, I 
> just remembered about the google groups thing.)

> Tegan said:
> Even if we were to make membership automatic to anyone who 
> wanted it, we'd still be keeping posts out of general public-space 
> search results (unlike posts to pmwiki-users), which would be my 
> preference.

> Dan said:
> Just a quick note to let you know I appreciate your emphasis on 
> the human side of our interactions. We need more of that in 
> today's disconnected and messed up world.

> The Other Michael said:
> Howdy, I would be more than happy to bring hotdish to the 
> wiki-picnic. 

> Patrick said:
> FWIW, I already have an account and profile on LinkedIn.  If 
> anyone wants to start forming connections there, just send me 
> an invitation.
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/pmichaud

(:Jan said: I want pmwiki and Dan to do this:)


Excuse me if the intricate isn't your style, when you're nevertheless bound by the effort. Please speak up, because the same thing said in a different way is what makes the light shine through. You, the outsider-in may clearly capture and from it yield a handle to live by. 



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