[pmwiki-users] Note on tooltip options
Thomas Lederer
celok at gmx.net
Mon Mar 20 05:20:10 CST 2006
Joachim Durchholz schrieb am 20.03.2006 11:52 Uhr:
> Thomas Lederer schrieb:
>> Joachim Durchholz schrieb am 20.03.2006 9:33 Uhr:
>>> Neil Herber schrieb:
>>>> Other than the fact that it might break existing markup, I would say
>>>> get rid of the [[ Link Text -> http://www.example.com ]] markup
>>>> altogether.
>>> Sorry for jumpin in late, and I have to confess I haven't followed this
>>> thread. Let me just cast my vote for the -> syntax: it's far more
>>> intuitive than the | syntax.
>> Hello,
>>
>> as we are casting votes ;) i would vote for the pipe: |
>>
>> Reason: from my point of view it is the _more_ logical choice:
>>
>> Standard link: [[http:\\example.com]]
>> Link with Title (advanced link): [[http::\\example.com | example title]]
>
> Um... *how* is that more logical?
Um... from my point of view ;)
[[linkurl | linktext]]
[[linktext -> linkurl]]
A link without a linkurl is a text.
A link without a linktext is still a link.
So i judge (only i maybe) the linkurl part as more important, therefore
i go for it first. The linktext is optional. I know that you can link to
WikiPages without an _URL_ but then the pagename still is the linkurl
and not the linktext. ;)
>> However, even though i understand your (Joachim) reasons, i would ask to
>> keep both, (if dropping one is really an option) for backwards
>> compatibility
>
> Agreed. It shouldn't be removed, only deprecated. (If removal is indeed
> intended.)
>
> An alternative would be writing a script that goes through existing
> wikipages and corrects the syntax - that's simpler than one might think,
> the original markup table as it is constructed within PmWiki can be
> adapted to that purpose (could be done as an ?action=update recipe that
> modified the table entries so that all markup except "|" would be passed
> through unchanged).
>
> > and for liberty of choice for the users.
>
> Liberty of choice isn't a virtue in this case.
Liberty always is a virtue :) But i agree.... if it is to be removed,
people will have to use what's there.
>> As for your comment on German keyboards below:
>> for me, the | ("pipe") character is a very common one (using Unix,
>> Linux, Mac OS X), and on the Unix (Sun) Keyboard, it is "AltGr" (which
>> is right from the spacebar) and the "<,>" key (left from the y), same
>> seems to be true for all the Windows Notbooks here is the office, and on
>> the iBook it is "alt" left from the spacebar and the _normal_ "7" key.
>>
>> So actually the | is not better or worse than @ for example.
>
> Sure. That's why I listed @ in the "hate character" set, too :-)
Granted. My bad.
> > What type of keyboard do you use?
>
> Actually I'm using the same.
> Some of my misgivings with | are that it's connected to AltGr, which is
> generally a mess on a German keyboard.
> For the curious, it remaps the keyboard like this:
> < -> |
> q -> @
> e -> €
> 2 -> ²
> 3 -> ³
> 7 -> {
> 8 -> [
> 9 -> ]
> 0 -> }
> ß -> \
> + -> ~
> m -> µ
> The bad thing about AltGr isn't the remapping per se, it's the way the
> mapping is invoked: on the right side, we press AltGr, meaning we don't
> have a right Alt key and can't easily do Alt-Q (or Alt-anything where
> that "anything" is on the left side of the keyboard); alternatively, we
> can press LeftCtrl-LeftAlt to get the same effect as AltGr. (Now we have
> two entirely different ways to invoke the alternate character layer of
> the keyboard, depending on whether the key is to the left or to the
> right. Whoever invented that standard deserves a publish flogging.)
I agree, but as LCtrl-LAlt-< doesn't do anything on my computers, i
never noticed.
> It's also a pain to type "|"; I'm not sure exactly why, but it has
> something to do with having to alternate between different shift keys
> (RightShift, then RightAlt, then RightShift again) - the keypress count
> doesn't seem too bad (six presses).
> What's *really* a pain is [@...@]. That translates to:
> LeftCtrl-LeftAlt down
> 8
> LeftCtrl-LeftAlt up
> RightAlt down
> q
> RightAlt up
> ...
> RightAlt down
> q
> RightAlt up
> LeftCtrl-LeftAlt down
> 8
> LeftCtrl-LeftAlt up
Hmm... ok, i see. Still...
-> is 4 presses (-,shift down, <, shift up)
while
| is only 3 (AltGr down , <, AltGr up)
or on Mac (alt down, 6, alt up)
Let's decide on "different preferences". ;) Ok?
> I find it so distracting that I try to use copy&paste [@ and @] wherever
> I can. (Copy&paste works better with @@, which I try to avoid, too.
> Unfortunately, @@ and [@...@] are often needed for the kind of texts I
> usually write, so...)
>
> Well, keyboard issues are an old itch of mine, something I've been
> moaning about for more than a decade now. I don't think the problem will
> go away in my lifetime, so I have largely given up on the issue. (Most
> people don't even blind-type, so I have to face the fact that I'm a
> minority with it.)
>
> Regards,
> Jo
Grüße,
Tom
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