[pmwiki] Re: [Pmwiki-users] Whitepaper about markup strategy

[Bernhard Weichel in pmwiki-users]

Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
> On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 11:26:14PM +0200,
> Bernhard.Weichel at t-online.de wrote:
>>
>> As being involved in markup for a couple of years - non technical
>> users want the "do what I mean" button. So they want a WYSIWYG stuff
>> (a collegue of mine propose to integrate Typo3's rich text field
>> when I showed him PmWiki).
>> But, to be honest I am somewhat tired that any discussion ends in the
>> statment
>> that the markup reluctance of non-technical should prevent technical
>> authors from getting more if they want more.
>
> Oh, PmWiki doesn't prevent it, it just aims to protect the
> non-technical folks from the technical ones.  A wiki administrator
> can always customize
> to add more technical features.

now we have the circular discussion. I was looking for a safe and
easy way to add more technical features which is somewhat beyond an ad hoc
(ok, ad hoc looking) approach.

Why do we need object orientation, we have logo or basic ;-)

>
>>> Third, as I often tell others, I fairly strongly reject the claim
>>> that "authors don't have to use the advanced markup if they don't
>>> want to".
>>> I don't think that's true in a collaborative environment.  If
>>
>> Collaboration means that the collaborators are somewhat on the same
>> level.
>
> I disagree.  Most of the environments I've worked in and used PmWiki
> for

I am thinking of small groups performing peer to peer collaboration.
As we seem to have different backgounds, we have to live with "disagree".

> Oh.  If you really want the XML tags, just use $DoubleBrackets to
> preserve them and convert them back into html markup!  Something like
> (in local.php):

I see, how it could be done. Am I right to say that it uses the entity
markup within the pattern in DoubleBrackets (not that I fully understand
it).
Then the author has no way to express "<" in his content. For this reason
I anticipate that XML style markup must be handled before the HTML character
replacement - or even instead of this. And if XML-Style markup is enabled,
the author is forced to use entities if he wants to express "<" or "&".
How would he then enter [[<<]]? (the markup I dislike the most ;-).

-b