<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><BR><DIV><DIV>On Oct 5, 2006, at 3:24 AM, Oliver Betz wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS">Im subscribed to several mailing lists, two let Reply-To: unchanged,<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS">9 set it to the list, 2 set it to both (list and sender), one sets it<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS">to a fake address (!). I didn't ever read any offending mail sent to<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS">a list by accident.</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">There's great cures for this one.</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">A) Never send an offensive email -- to ANYONE. Think Gandhi. Why are you increasing the angst in the world, or in your personal life. Let it slide. Believe it or not, this is Just A List.</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">B) This is a techy list, but you shouldn't be passing passwords around via email anyway. Other than sending your password to the whole list when you were trying to send it to one person -- how often are we commenting something particularly private -- I can see off-topic or me-too posts going private -- but if it's that important you should be double checking who you send it to anyway.</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">C) I suppose some people on this list MIGHT know one another in real life, and know that the other person will never ever slip up and spill the beans, but the law of the land is never say anything to ANYONE if you don't want it repeated. This starts to harken back to A. Do you really know the person you're mouthing off to? Or is it that you're passing around trade secrets you're looking to patent? Do you have an NDA with the recipient?</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">This is not a personals list. It's not a porn-related list. It's not a particularly personal-conversation-encouraging list. I was on a polyamory list, and it make complete sense to make the reply-to private -- after all people were speaking about a very personal topic: how many lovers they had.</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">How many of us send private messages to each other saying "You show me your code, and I'll show you mine! *wink, wink*" ??</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">99.9% of my emails go to the list, cc'ing the sender is optional. Beyond that it's a TOTAL PITA. Just because it's become second nature doesn't mean that writing to PmWiki-Users and making mistakes hasn't cost me precious MINUTES of my life by now. Add that up against a prolific list and how many others waste a few seconds per misdelivered email....</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">And I'm not changing email clients. I've been very happy with this one even though I don't like that I can't override the reply-to. Why is the listmail reply-to broken so everyone has to fix it? Way back when everything was alt.sex.fuzzybunnyrabbits, it made sense to make stupid rules and edicts to train people into thinking about where their email was going. I'm trained. Now I want to regain minutes of my life.</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">Everyone else in my head doesn't care ;)</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS">Since there is at least one member afraid of sending private<SPAN class="Apple-converted-space"> </SPAN></FONT></P> <P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size="3" style="font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS">information to the list, I agree to let the Reply-To: untouched.</FONT></P> </BLOCKQUOTE><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">I'm still confused about what someone is sending emails in reply to this list that they're afraid of having become public.</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">"I hate you, your ideas, and your code sucks"</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">"Ohoh, that was a sexy function, let's meet Friday at my wiki, the password is 'secret'"</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">"by the way hon, don't forget to bring home eggs and milk"</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">"I'd code it this way...."</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">"Pinky, when we kidnap Patrick and steal his code, we can overthrow the wiki overlords, charge tons of money to host people's wiki websites, and rule the world!" -- "Snarf!"</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px">Honestly, I'm baffled ;)</P><P style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Comic Sans MS; min-height: 16.0px"><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></P><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>Crisses<BR></BODY></HTML>