[pmwiki-users] Petko's E2100/US$2, 963 bid for WYSIWYG capability

Thu May 19 22:01:10 CDT 2011

Quote from top of donations page: "Also note that although Petko has
estimated the likely effort, no-one has yet committed to actually doing the
work."

... and further down, quoting Petko's email: "The cost of this work is
estimated to be 2100 euros. My company doesn't collect VAT. A receipt or a
number of receipts will be available."

That last part sounded pretty committed to me...

Petko, you mentioned that you have a list of things you plan to do for the
editor; what's on the donations page sounds pretty vague. Especially "The
rich-text editor will be in addition to the normal wiki-text editor." sounds
strange... why have 2 toolbars?

Are we going to wind up with html AND wiki markup in the pages? If so, I
would not use it... I worked a bit a while ago on a layer-based toggle
(working in a rich-text field that would switch to a normal edit textarea
with the markup exposed and back). I could not make it cross-browser - it
would work only in IE5.5, so I gave it up.

Cheers,
Radu

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 18:57, DaveG <pmwiki at solidgone.com> wrote:

> I added a page Cookbook/WYSIWYG-donations, and included the pledges made in
> this thread. For those who pledged, please check I have your information
> correct.
>
>
>  ~ ~ Dave
>
>
>
> On 5/17/2011 9:10 PM, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
>
>> I'm willing to set up whatever accounts etc. are needed to
>> sure the funds all make it to the right places, whether that's
>> through pledgie, kickstarter, etc.  (I have plenty of paypal,
>> amazon associate, etc. accounts that I can use for this.)
>>
>> But I don't want to start setting things up until we have at
>> least 60% of the pledges needed to reach the goal.  So, until
>> then it might be worthwhile to just create a page on PmWiki.org
>> describing the campaign, the target, what will be delivered,
>> and how close we are to the final goal.  When the number reaches
>> around 60% of the total, I'll start making the official transfer
>> channels open.
>>
>> Pm
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 05:56:31PM -0400, DaveG wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps something like pledgie http://pledgie.com/site/faq (used
>>> within Github for project support) would be useful to track
>>> commitments to the goal.
>>>
>>> I'd set it up, but the recipient needs to enter a Paypal address to
>>> facilitate funds transfer.
>>>
>>>
>>>  ~ ~ Dave
>>>
>>> On 5/14/2011 5:25 PM, Al Louis Ripskis wrote:
>>>
>>>> Petko Yotov<5ko at 5ko.fr>Sent: May 14, 2011 3:36 PM
>>>>> The cost of this work is estimated to be 2100 euros. My company doesn't
>>>>> collect VAT. A receipt or a number of receipts will be available.
>>>>>
>>>> Guys,
>>>> I'm relatively new to this list, so I have no idea how this type of
>>>> contract has been handled in the past.
>>>> My first instinct would be to consult Pm on this. Also how would the
>>>> collection be handled?
>>>> As to the cost, it of course would depend on how many of would
>>>> contribute.
>>>> Today the euro to $US dollar rate is 1 to 1.411. So 2100 euros translate
>>>> to $US2,963.10.
>>>> So if a 100 of us contributed, it would be $29.63 each.
>>>> If 50 then it would be $59.26.
>>>> If thirty, then it would be $98.77, or round off to $100.
>>>> Now could we have a show of hands--or in this case e-mails--as to how
>>>> many of you and how much you would be willing to contribute.
>>>> I'll start of with $100, if necessary.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>>  To: Al Louis Ripskis<ripskis at sprynet.com>
>>>>> Cc: pmwiki-users<pmwiki-users at pmichaud.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [pmwiki-users] Follow-Up:Whither WYSIWYG?
>>>>> Contract/Contribution
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday 14 May 2011 14:30:30 Al Louis Ripskis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Did my email slip through the cracks? Or is there some
>>>>>> other reason why you haven't responded?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not easy to estimate this kind of work. Such a module can be done
>>>>> fairly
>>>>> quickly (2-3 days) but without a good integration with PmWiki and with
>>>>> potential security holes, as a couple of users expressed their
>>>>> concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>> PmWiki has lots of features and different configurations. Such a module
>>>>> has to
>>>>> work in many different environments, like different settings for
>>>>> passwords,
>>>>> diffrent uploads directories, different servers, and different
>>>>> browsers.
>>>>> Additional modules need to be written - file picker (with thumbnails?),
>>>>> asynchronous uploader (upload a file while you edit a page), internal
>>>>> link
>>>>> picker (autocomplete?). The most difficult decision is how to store and
>>>>> differenciate the feature-limited RichText input from wiki-code which
>>>>> can have
>>>>> unlimited features and local customizations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Last but not least, it is not possible to write such a complex program
>>>>> at once
>>>>> - there will certainly be bugs to be fixed as they are uncovered,
>>>>> features
>>>>> added or changed, and the module has to be supported in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>  "What do you estimate it would take to do it, and how long would it
>>>>>> take? What cost?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a Quote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2 weeks of work for a working beta prototype, including:
>>>>> * integration with PmWiki pages, passwords and upload directories
>>>>> * modules file picker/uploader, link picker
>>>>> * full documentation
>>>>> * 1 year bugfixing/support on the Cookbook Talk page or in the PITS
>>>>> * free software under the GNU GPL, MIT-style license or WTFPL/PD (the
>>>>> best
>>>>> things in life are free)
>>>>>
>>>>> The cost of this work is estimated to be 2100 euros. My company doesn't
>>>>> collect VAT. A receipt or a number of receipts will be available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that the features of the rich-text editor will be limited - not
>>>>> all
>>>>> existing HTML tags or attributes can be available, and not all PmWiki
>>>>> markups
>>>>> can have a rich-text "button". The rich-text editor will be in addition
>>>>> to the
>>>>> normal wiki-text editor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Petko
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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