[pmwiki-users] Cookbook Ratings : Vote for the recipes you use
5ko at 5ko.fr
Mon Jan 18 07:18:19 CST 2010
On Monday 18 January 2010 10:08:45, Hans wrote :
> Monday, January 18, 2010, 4:30:44 AM, DaveG wrote:
> > Is it possible to have the ratings maintained in the Comments/Talk pages
> > rather than in the main recipe page?
> or on a dedicated rating page?
> As a cookbook page maintainer i need to keep an eye on every page
> edit anyone is doing. I like to keep this work to the minimum.
> Having seperate Talk pages for comments and questions greatly helps
> this. Having ratings added as text edits in the recipe page will
> add a lot of extra work.
But then you'll need to keep an eye on one more page page for every edit
anyone is doing. :-)
I believe you're overestimating the amount of the "extra" work -- on my
recipes, where I have asked users to link as examples to their public
galleries, there have been Zero (0.00) problematic edits since 2006 -- I
sometimes shothened the entries, but that's not hard, and no user ever
modified something they shouldn't.
How many problems do we have in PITS, where there are 1100+ pages edited by
many users adding priorities and comments of practically the same type? Not
many, and not much "extra" work to deal with these edits too.
> I think only a form based rating system will avoid this problem,
I don't see "omg people can edit wiki pages" as a problem, but as a feature of
a "wiki" software. And I am definitely against adding complexity if is not
required and could be avoided.
> or a dedicated rating page for each recipe.
There are a number of benefits for not having the user/rating lists in extra
* Maintainers wouldn't have to add *-Ratings pages to their watchlists. :-)
* It is easer to look at the lists of names, instead of going to another page.
As people outlined before, more important than the numeric sum of the ratings
is who are the people supporting / endorsing the program.
* It is easier for a visitor to edit the same page, than to go to another one.
I believe the effort/confusion for a visitor going to a different page for
longer comments, and to another one for a rating, and finding their way back
to the recipe, is _more_ than the effort from a PmWiki expert to monitor his
pages (that is even one page less to monitor per recipe).
* If we keep user lists in the same page, the cookbook category listings will
need to open half the number of disk files, and this is 2x easier and faster
for the server/filesystem. Even now, without the additional file reads, the
server is sometimes slow, I'm not sure I want to add more load to it.
What I wrote above is what I was considering yesterday before enabling the
ratings the way they are now. But as Hans, Dave and Peter are three of the
most active recipe maintainers, and all voiced for using a separate page for
the ratings, I'm very much considering a change. And I agree it should be the
same for all pages, so should we change it, we should do it quickly.
So, if my arguments are unable to convince you, I'll accept yours. :-) More
opinions will be welcome though.
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