[pmwiki-users] Translation downloads updated

Petko Yotov 5ko at 5ko.fr
Sat Jan 31 10:28:27 CST 2009

On Friday 30 January 2009 19:04:41 Oliver Betz wrote:
> Petko Yotov wrote:
> >I have updated all downloads of the translated documentation. You can find
> > all archives here:
> >
> >  http://pmwiki.org/pub/pmwiki/i18n/
> a lot of outdated files are in this archive. As far as I see, all 30
> files dated 2007-03-16 are not fromthe current pmwiki.org site, but
> the 99 files dated today (2009-01-30) are.

These files were in the archive, but the pages were at some point deleted from 
PmWikiDe/. Earlier this morning, I repackaged all translation files in 
brand-new archives, so no old wiki pages should be there.

> Besides this, I suggest to delete the groups "Pmwikide" and
> "PmwikiDe" (I'm still convinced that page names differing only in
> capitalization are evil).

Done, today I deleted a huge number of phantom wikigroups (only 
*.RecentChanges or very old test pages with no backlinks).

> another minor question: In the localized groups are pages dealing with
> the translation itself, e.g. PmWikiDe/DiskussionUebersetzungen,
> /ListeAllerSeiten, /Terminologie, /StandDerUebersetzung (and
> /RecentChanges, of course).
> Shall they be part of the i18n archives? I don't know whether ir's
> worth the effort to exclude them.

Currently, the script packages every page in the PmWiki* groups so these pages 
are in the archives.

I don't yet speak German and most of the other 39 languages, so I couldn't 
judge if a page should be included or excluded.

I can propose that the page DocumentationIndex serves as a wikitrail listing 
all pages that should be in the doc download archive. If you want a link 
included in the archive, but not displayed in the DocumentationIndex, use
  (:if false:)
  * [[Page]] 

If you want to link to a page to be excluded, best might be to use the full 
URL with [[(http://pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWikiDe/)SomePage]].

This way we can create a recipe which automatically packs the pages for the 
documentation. See WikiTrails about the format.

Other idea could be to mark somehow the pages to be excluded. Other ideas are 

> It would be nice to have a clean SandBox in the distributed archive.

Please clean the WikiSandbox placing the default text, and I'll add it to the 
list to be automatically restored every 15 min like PmWiki.WikiSandbox.

> What do you think about a "self service" implementation to enable
> users to get fresh archives of certain groups, e.g. the i18n groups
> and the PmWiki/ (also subject to updates!) group?
> Or do you intend to make periodical (automated) snapshots?

At the moment, I have to manually launch a script that packages all pages, but 
it is easy, I can do it any time you ask me to.

We are considering creating a (public) recipe that could use ?action=zip to 
send the current state of the documentation directly to the visitor, and/or a 
password-protected ?action=publishzip to allow a Local Administrator to 
update the German archive in the pmwiki.org/pub/i18n directory.

All these are just ideas floating around, please share yours if you have ideas 
of improving this.


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