hi there i'm wondering why: {(set -s blam = "darnit")} {(wikish echo "${blam:1:4}")} ... spits out "arni" (which is correct) but {(set -s blam = "darnit")} {(wikish echo "${blam:0:4}")} ... spits out the whole string: "darnit", instead of "darn" ?? am i doing something wrong? adam