[pmwiki-users] RFC: Core candidate offerings
john.rankin at affinity.co.nz
Fri Mar 31 20:14:51 CST 2006
On Saturday, 1 April 2006 1:35 PM, Allister Jenks <arj at zkarj.co.nz> wrote:
>Ben has already said it. The way to separate paragraphs in
>HTML/CSS and in MS Word and probably in many other
>languages/tools is to specify paragraph spacing. The use of
>additional paragraphs/linefeeds to visually separate paragraphs
>that have run-on from a content point of view is not the
>correct way to do things and usually causes problems further
>down the line. Witness what is happening here, and what
>happens when a similar approach is taken in Word documents.
Spot on! When we produce typeset printed pages from pmwiki,
we throw away the <p class='vspace'> for this very reason.
>Patrick, I can't agree that 'blank lines do not mean
>"paragraph", they mean "vertical space", which is usually and
>exactly what the author intended them to mean' because there is
>currently no other way to create *any* visual gap between two
>lines of text - no way to create a new paragraph without also
>creating vertical space.
No, Patrick's right -- this is how blank lines are currently
interpreted, but the space is implemented using an empty <p>.
>I'm not overly fussed about the specifics of the markup, but I
>think we need to address the distinction between 'paragraph
>spacing' and 'vertical space'. I do, however, agree with Ben
>that blank lines *in the source* can be used to indicate
>paragraphs. If we can devise a markup to use in that context,
>there is no reason to change that.
I wonder if this is not a markup problem at all, but a question
of how to interpret existing markup. Consider the following.
<p class='spaced'>Text 1.</p>
<p class='spaced'>Text 2.</p>
<p class='unspaced'>Text 3.</p>
<p class='unspaced'>Text 4.</p>
So a new directive tells pmwiki to interpret one return as
denoting an end of paragraph. And we use css classes to
control the spacing between paragraphs. And now a paragraph
is a paragraph is a paragraph. What about lists?
* item 1
* item 2
* item 3
<ul><li class='spaced'>item 1</li>
<li class='spaced'>item 2</li>
<li class='unspaced'>item 3</li></ul>
Would this be a desirable and feasible approach?
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