[pmwiki-users] Hierarchial pages v.s. hierarchical groups (Was:Subpages)

Bellave Jayaram bellavejayaram at cox.net
Fri Jun 2 02:21:00 CDT 2006


> -----Original Message-----
> From: pmwiki-users-bounces at pmichaud.com 
> [mailto:pmwiki-users-bounces at pmichaud.com] On Behalf Of John Rankin
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 5:27 PM
> To: pmwiki-users at pmichaud.com; Joachim Durchholz
> Subject: Re: [pmwiki-users] Hierarchial pages v.s. 
> hierarchical groups (Was:Subpages)
> On Friday, 2 June 2006 9:14 AM, Joachim Durchholz 
> <jo at durchholz.org> wrote:
> >christian.ridderstrom at gmail.com schrieb:
> >> What is it that we actually want. Do we want hierarchical pages or 
> >> hierarchical groups?
> >
> >I'm not sure who "we" is in this case, but I want both.
> >
> >> I think it'd probably be very good to clarify the 
> distinction between 
> >> these two concepts. If there is any...
> >
> >Um... let me try a definition.
> >
> >A "hierarchical group" is a set of pages with a common URL 
> prefix that 
> >ends with some syntactic marker.
> >(I.e. foobar and foofum don't form a group, but foo.bar and foo.fum 
> >do.)
> >
> >A "hierarchical page" is one that consists of sections, 
> which in turn 
> >may consist of subsections, subsubsections etc.
> ... and may be represented as one or more nested wiki pages?
> Jo, do you find a need for (I don't have a good name for it) 
> "relationship pages"? I'm thinking of cases where Pages in 
> Group C define a many-to-many relationship between pages in 
> Group A and pages in Group B?
> I am wondering whether the discussion ought to consider other 
> sorts of relationships, not just hierarchies. 
> --
> JR
> --
> John Rankin

Like Jo, I would like to have both hierarchical groups and hierarchical

This thread is very interesting to me as is the parallel thread on
motivation for hierarchy. I would like to point out this article[1] that
tries to explore structure and chaos in the context of wikis which is
essentially what we are dealing with here. There is also a set of slides on
this here [2]. Even though there is a lot of XML mentioned, many
considerations are also relevant to non-XML based wikis. 

I have to agree with John on one thing, thinking about how to handle
hierarchy in pmwiki makes one's brain hurt but perhaps we ought to consider
XML for better structuring and linking. But How? Well, I might know if only
I had a fraction as much brains as some experts on this list......


[1] http://www.idealliance.org/proceedings/xtech05/papers/03-02-04/

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