[Pmwiki-users] Re: Variable names

[Pierre Rouzeau]

May i humbly suggest to call the '$Name' variable  '$Yop' .
It doesn't mean anything, but it's short, and as it is bizarre, it will 
be easily remembered.
And that will add some fun to the Wiki and to that thread  :)

Please don't take the above too much seriously...

Regards

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Patrick R. Michaud wrote:
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>>On Mon, Oct 18, 2004 at 09:19:22AM -0500, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote:
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>>>In a system where you have well-defined concepts of pages and groups,
>>>$Group makes sense, but $Name does not. I suggest $Page instead.
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>>There are several problems with $Page -- the biggest being
>>that, for obvious reasons, there are a *lot* of variables that begin
>>with "Page" ($PageEditFmt, $PageNameChars, $PageNotFound, $PageUrl,
>>$PageAttributes, etc.).  Thus, in order for this to work the '$Page'
>>substitution would really need to take place *after* checking for
>>all of the other substitutions, or we do some pattern trickery to make
>>the '$Page' we see isn't part of something larger.
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>that's an implementation detail of how you'd *affect* the change, and
>has absolutely nothing to do with whether using $Page instead of $Name
>is a better idea.  in effect, it's a non-argument.  (and the fact that
>all these other variables start with the prefix "Page" is the best
>argument *for* calling it $Page instead of $Name. :-)
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>let me put it another way.  if you could magically make that
>substitution happen throughout all of PmWiki2, would you do it?  if
>you answered "yes", then you make it happen and deal with the
>difficulties.  saying it would be a difficult edit just isn't
>persuasive.
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>>Beyond that, conceptually I've always felt that the term "page"
>>includes the group it's in -- i.e., people will normally think of
>>Main.WikiSandbox as a different "page" from PmWiki.WikiSandbox, even
>>though they have the same "name".
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>the law of orthogonality clearly suggests that you have two variables:
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>  Group		JUST the group name
>  Page		JUST the page name
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>think of it this way.  someone's street address consists of two
>pieces of information:
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>  1) street name
>  2) house number
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>if you combine those two, you get their address.  as i see it, Group
>should correspond to street, and Page is the house number.  if you
>need the full address, you add the two together.  no problem.  (and,
>again, any difficulties in affecting the change are not an issue in
>deciding whether or not this should be done -- only whether it's a
>good idea or not.)
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>(and as a side note, conceptually, i would have considered $Page as
>just the page name without the Group prefix.  i guess we all have
>different philosophies.)
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>>Of course, PmWiki 1 uses "$Title" for this, which works okay except
>>that "title" means something different in the context of HTML
>>(<title>...</title>) and doesn't work at all if a page can specify
>>its own [:title:], so I switched to $Name.  It's not too late to
>>switch to something else, but it needs to be demonstrably clearer.
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>i think it already *is* demonstrably a better idea.  having a variable
>whose name is $Name is begging for confusion and a lack of clarity.
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>rday
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