[Pmwiki-users] Listing all pages / groups

Glenn Blalock gblalock at grandecom.net
Mon Nov 18 19:24:53 CST 2002

Just a comment as I follow the more important discussions about
"restoring" and "uploading":

"Search Wiki" with an empty search box returns an alphabetical list of
(almost) all pages / groups.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pmwiki-users-admin at pmichaud.com 
> [mailto:Pmwiki-users-admin at pmichaud.com] On Behalf Of Davis, James C.
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:23 PM
> To: 'pmwiki-users at pmichaud.com'
> Subject: RE: [Pmwiki-users] File upload feature discussion
> From my perspective redundancy is an issue, especially if 
> files are attached to individual pages. Imagine a banner that 
> is included on every page in a group. If a group has 100 
> pages in it that's 100 copies of the same file. It's a waste 
> of disk space in my opinion. Also, I just personally can't 
> stand data redundancy. I think this was drilled into my head 
> in my DBMS classes. :)
> I actually often wish there was a "list all groups" or "list 
> all pages in a group" function. For me, searching is not 
> always the primary method of finding the information I want, 
> and often browsing a list of pages is often more useful. I 
> guess maybe it's the case when you're not completely sure 
> what you're looking for. I would think there are others out 
> there that think this way as well, or maybe I'm just crazy 
> (quite possible).
> The problem I see with not associating files with a page is 
> name collisions. This would undoubtedly cause mass chaos on a 
> large wiki system. Names like "banner.gif" and "title.jpg" 
> would be very common, and various WikiAuthors would fight it 
> out over who gets what name (might be an interesting social 
> experiment though). You could change the name to prevent 
> collisions, but this is going to confuse the heck out of most people.
> RecentChanges is just one way to list all pages. I think 
> there is a need for alphabetical listing as well as chronological.
> Just my tew sens.
> James Davis
> Network Manager
> College of Business
> Texas A&M University - Corpus Christi
> (361) 825-5926
> jdavis at cob.tamucc.edu
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick R. Michaud [mailto:pmichaud at sci.tamucc.edu]
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 2:30 PM
> To: Davis, James C.
> Cc: 'pmwiki-users at pmichaud.com'
> Subject: RE: [Pmwiki-users] File upload feature discussion
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Davis, James C. wrote:
> > As I see it, the issues surrounding the file upload are 
> that we don't 
> > want to have repetitive data (the same file stored many 
> times), but we 
> > do want the files to be organized in a way that makes it easy for 
> > WikiAuthors to find them insert them into pages.  [...stuff 
> > deleted...]
> Actually, the first issue (redundancy) is a non-issue from my 
> perspective.  
> The only real issue is the second one--how to have files 
> organized in a 
> way that makes it easy for WikiAuthors to upload them, find them, and 
> insert them into pages.  Thus it's primarily a user-interface 
> issue as opposed to an implementation one.
> > The files
> > could be associated with both WikiPages and WikiGroups so you could 
> > get a listing of all files for a page, for all pages in the 
> group, or 
> > all files
> in
> > the system (with thumbnails for images?). I would suggest links for 
> > "Page Files", "Group Files", and "All Files" on each page to see a 
> > listing of
> all
> > associated files.
> This is one of the areas I'm struggling with--how/where to 
> list files? Or is it even necessary?  Would it be sufficient 
> to have a 
> "RecentAttachments" page similar to the "RecentChanges" page 
> to maintain a list of available attachments?  As it is now, 
> PmWiki doesn't have a mechanism to "list all pages" or "list 
> all pages in a group" and doesn't seem to suffer from it--why 
> would we need those features for attachments?
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